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Fat Del 6:06 Thu Feb 19
Sam Allardyce is better off without West Ham

Bolton, Newcastle and Blackburn all failed to improve after Big Sam departed. Who would do a better job than Allerdicio?

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ooooh Morley Morley 6:09 Thu Feb 19
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Cheers Derek

Fat Del 6:17 Thu Feb 19
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Ha. But seriously, I don't understand why he's so unpopular. I did understand, it was fucking boring watching us last season and he drained the fun out of watching the team. This season and some quality signings and it's been a different story. I thought his comments about being tired were bullshit but there's no doubt we've improved and can't see anyone, with the possible exception of Bilic, who would come to us taking us forward.

stewie griffin 6:18 Thu Feb 19
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The real quiz, is whether Allardyce can take us forward

i-Ron 6:19 Thu Feb 19
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Bolton appointed Sammy Lee in his only ever managerial job, who's since gone back into being a number 2.... then followed it up with Megson, who was a flop at WestBrom and Forest, and who's managerial career is now virtually over.

Newcastle appoint Keegan, after years out of work, who was awful and has not had a job since.... Then appoint Joe Kinnear, another bloke who hadn't managed in years, and who hasn't since managed anyone, and then a rookie manager Shearer, who flopped, and has never managed again.

Blackburn appoint Steve Kean, in his first managerial job, who hasn't managed since, followed by Henning Berg in his first english job, who last less than a few months....

There's a theme running with all these clubs. They go for rookies, or fans favourites without the credentials, and suffer for it.

I don't think it has anything to do with the expertise of Sam Allardyce at all.

InpectaMoose 6:20 Thu Feb 19
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He was forced into playing us in a diamond due to Nolan's shoulder and Carroll's ankle.

Fat Del 6:23 Thu Feb 19
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Very interesting i-Ron. But then is that sort of calibre manager what we'd be left with if Allardyce leaves?

ih8robbiesavage 6:23 Thu Feb 19
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last year was so shit anything half decent would be viewed as progress... it's like doing archery blindfolded then removing the blindfold...
The guy has got 3 decent players in each position and still picks the wrong side... a better manager has no obligations to any individuals and gets tactics/ formation/ selection correct, doesn't give away games,
simple..

Joey Woodwork 6:24 Thu Feb 19
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Why would we? Others clubs have proved you can appoint a 'big name' manager.

On The Ball 6:27 Thu Feb 19
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i-Ron 6:19 Thu Feb 19

End of thread.

i-Ron 6:27 Thu Feb 19
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That's my fear Del.

Although I'm not sure I'm totally against Bilic, but the fact it's because he's a former player is putting me off slightly because it rarely works does it?

Plus, I'm pretty sure G&S said they'd only go for British....which I guess means Moyes will be in the running, who I think is pretty much exactly the same boring long ball, signing old players, and spending big on SHIT....

I just don't think the board will choose a decent football manager. Which is a shame because our location, position, fan base, and wages offered should be bringing in one of the world's best football managers....not just some bloke who's flavour of the month (AVRAM) or within the UK.

Fat Del 6:32 Thu Feb 19
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"I just don't think the board will choose a decent football manager. Which is a shame because our location, position, fan base, and wages offered should be bringing in one of the world's best football managers....not just some bloke who's flavour of the month (AVRAM) or within the UK."

That's made me think. If Allardyce's contract isn't renewed then there's one more season until we move and, in my opinion, the Davids want the club in the best possible position for someone to make a lucrative offer so rather than going with one of the above would be forced to look for a manager with a big rep, whatever the cost.

i-Ron 6:37 Thu Feb 19
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I don't really blame them for playing it safe. Someone said Fat Sam is the 13th highest paid manager in world football. He doesn't strike me as a football managers who's THAT good.

You'd have thought the top 30 or so occupy clubs within Champions League or Europa....there's absolutely nothing special about Allardyce. Fuck all. The football has been largely painful. Just when we started playing well, he demolished the momentum when he demolished the structure by reintroducing target men and NOLAN. He best players always seem to be in defence.

No wonder clubs think anyone could do the same job after watching the shit he serves up though. You can't blame them. Even Sullivan is bringing in his own signings!

Willtell 6:38 Thu Feb 19
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SA has a terrible image and is called upon by clubs in trouble as a safe pair of hands. Safe hands don't excite fans unless their club is in trouble. That isn't all though. SA does not care whether fans enjoy the football or not.

The accumulation of points is the only thing that matters and the football is basic, not very skilful and often winning football.

Yes SA would be better off away from WH to somewhere like Sunderland who will welcome him as a saviour and tire of him much quicker than WH fans....

seth 6:38 Thu Feb 19
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Sam broke his previous clubs before he left. They were maybe ok in terms of their position in the table, but he'd loaded the squad with his own players working with his favourite agents.

Last season a big worry for the Sam out brigade was that someone new wouldn't be able to come in and make the necessary changes because of the players and their agents.

At least Sullivan taking the transfer reins means we have a player or two who Big Sam might not want, but a new manager can work with... Zarate, Nene, etc...

Willtell 6:39 Thu Feb 19
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*...often NOT winning football...*

Pagey 6:41 Thu Feb 19
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Let's not dismiss the fact that Allardyce has done a fantastic job throughout his career with those clubs, especially Bolton.

The trouble is that he is an arrogant fucker and the football is often ridiculously dull. Effective to a point, but mind numbingly dull.

i-Ron 6:49 Thu Feb 19
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Defensively, he's probably the best manager we've had.

He's got the best out of Reid, Tomkins, Collins, McCartney, Demel, OBrien, Cresswell, Jenkinson....all of them have done well to be fair. Even Noble in the holding role has been consistently well.

It's at the final third, where he's toilet at managing for me. The only bloke who's done ok is sakho, and he's a sullivan signing. Our midfield is regularly over run. There's very few matches where we've outplayed sides, outpassed them and all that. We sit deep, soak it up, hang on in there, and hope a few ENTRIES into the box win us matches.

I think for one of the world's best paid managers we should be a bit better balanced. I'm certain there's clubs whose manager can do that. The problem is if Sullivan and Gold can find him and lure him in.

I'd love Bilic to come in, and to be given 5-10 years, and build a structure and lead us in a direction. I just don't think FAT SAM has that in him for the BUNCE he gets.

Takashi Miike 6:53 Thu Feb 19
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another fucking walrus fundamentalist

eternal pessimist 6:58 Thu Feb 19
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The quality of a manager is to be judged as much by the legacy he leaves behind as by what he has achieved while manager. Viewed in that context, the fact that The 3 of the teams that the Sophisticated One has left have been relegated a season or two later isn't actually a plus point in his favour.

Remember, Avram Grant got to the Champions League final and only failed by the width of a post to in it. Does that make him a good manager? No, the team ran itself because of the quality he had been left with ....

seth 7:05 Thu Feb 19
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i-Ron,

the two are not independent though.

Sam manages to achieve a good defensive record precisely by sacrificing attacking ambition.

It's not like you can get the defence sorted and then sort out the attack. That would require undoing what he has done to keep the Goals Against column down. Wingers defending, central midfield picking up runs, etc., etc., means wingers and central midfielders not being upfield making and converting chances...

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